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	<title>Comments on: What If You CAN&#8217;T Get Fat On A High-Fat Diet?</title>
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		<title>By: Mark McManus</title>
		<link>http://www.musclehack.com/what-if-you-cant-get-fat-on-a-high-fat-diet/#comment-9435</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McManus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mike :)
@ Daniel. Possibly, all is not known about this yet. As for 'excess' fat calories being stored in organs. The body can 'waste' unwanted calories through futile cycling. On top of that, it's damn hard to overconsume fat on this diet, most people actually unintentionally create a calorie deficit on a low-carb diet due to its satiating effects. Also, if you look at comparative studies, low carb diets at the very least do as well as low fat ones in decreasing heart-risk factors, and a lot of the time they do MUCH better especially in reducing circulating tyiglycerides.
Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike <img src='http://www.musclehack.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
@ Daniel. Possibly, all is not known about this yet. As for &#8216;excess&#8217; fat calories being stored in organs. The body can &#8216;waste&#8217; unwanted calories through futile cycling. On top of that, it&#8217;s damn hard to overconsume fat on this diet, most people actually unintentionally create a calorie deficit on a low-carb diet due to its satiating effects. Also, if you look at comparative studies, low carb diets at the very least do as well as low fat ones in decreasing heart-risk factors, and a lot of the time they do MUCH better especially in reducing circulating tyiglycerides.<br />
Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to get this straight: Once ketosis has begun, I can eat all the fats and proteins I want, and I won't get fat?  I'm going to try it, but I've heard people say that you need to still watch your caloric intake, and I want to be sure that I know what's going to happen before I eat a larger number of calories than my BMR+cardio.

And @ Zach, 

"Fat is still stored without insulin, but in organs, e.g., the liver and the heart, where fat accumulation damages the organs. I fail to understand how people can study high-fat, low-carb diets so meticulously - down to the umpteenth biochemical process - and inocently overlook this aspect of fat metabolism - it’s biochem 101."

Citation please?  Perhaps a Stryer reference?  I'm not a biochemist, but I'd like something a bit less hand-wavy.  You make good questions, but I'd like an answer.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to get this straight: Once ketosis has begun, I can eat all the fats and proteins I want, and I won&#8217;t get fat?  I&#8217;m going to try it, but I&#8217;ve heard people say that you need to still watch your caloric intake, and I want to be sure that I know what&#8217;s going to happen before I eat a larger number of calories than my BMR+cardio.</p>
<p>And @ Zach, </p>
<p>&#8220;Fat is still stored without insulin, but in organs, e.g., the liver and the heart, where fat accumulation damages the organs. I fail to understand how people can study high-fat, low-carb diets so meticulously - down to the umpteenth biochemical process - and inocently overlook this aspect of fat metabolism - it’s biochem 101.&#8221;</p>
<p>Citation please?  Perhaps a Stryer reference?  I&#8217;m not a biochemist, but I&#8217;d like something a bit less hand-wavy.  You make good questions, but I&#8217;d like an answer.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Gary Taubes is really something else eh? Another funny thing is that a lot of prosperous hunter tribes really did grow a lot vertically... presumably due to the very hormone cocktail your bodybuilding diet seeks to increase - growth hormone, testosterone, IGF-1, high mineral and fat soluble-vitamin intake. Very anabolic stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Gary Taubes is really something else eh? Another funny thing is that a lot of prosperous hunter tribes really did grow a lot vertically&#8230; presumably due to the very hormone cocktail your bodybuilding diet seeks to increase - growth hormone, testosterone, IGF-1, high mineral and fat soluble-vitamin intake. Very anabolic stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Cabon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zachary Cabon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The metabolism of fat is different with and without carbohydrates, true.  As you and others who advocate high-fat, low-carb diets constantly point out carbohydrates stimulate insulin and the insulin ushers excess calories into fat cells.

That's better than the alternative.

What is typically not discussed is the metabolism of fat without insulin, i.e., where and how fat is stored when the amount eaten is greater than the amount needed to meet energy demands.  

Fat is still stored without insulin, but in organs, e.g., the liver and the heart, where fat accumulation damages the organs.  I fail to understand how people can study high-fat, low-carb diets so meticulously - down to the umpteenth biochemical process - and inocently overlook this aspect of fat metabolism - it's biochem 101.

Better for EXCESS calories to be stored as triglycerides in fat cells ... best though is not eating more than one needs.  

Fat is not stored as muscle in muscle tissue - no amino acids.  Fat is not simply excreted if it cannot be stored in fat cells (this has been shown in studies).  A high-fat, low-carb diet that exceeds energy needs is simply a faster way to damage organs than eating too many calories with carbs.  (Those with fewer fat cells who overeat damage their organs faster due to fats being stored in organs instead of in fat cells - google it.)

The best way to use fat for energy is not to avoid carbs and “reach ketosis,” but to engage in fat-burning (aerobic or "cardio") exercises - daily.  This will strengthen muscles (a great deal of muscle fibers are slow-twitch, aerobic fibers), build greater bone density and achieve numerous other health benefits, e.g., good mental health.  

Athletes are living proof of this as most of us - who are the leanest in our society - eat high-carb diets, lean meats, and get adequate Omega-3 fatty acids - not sat fats that indirectly promote arterial plaque (“bad” and "high" cholesterol are hype, but so is the notion of a “low-carb” diet).  

I do not doubt your sincerity, but in your elucidation of biochemical processes of fat metabolism you left out such facts as excess fat is stored in organs without insulin to usher fat into fat cells - where excess calories (if you must eat them) belong. Thanks for listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The metabolism of fat is different with and without carbohydrates, true.  As you and others who advocate high-fat, low-carb diets constantly point out carbohydrates stimulate insulin and the insulin ushers excess calories into fat cells.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s better than the alternative.</p>
<p>What is typically not discussed is the metabolism of fat without insulin, i.e., where and how fat is stored when the amount eaten is greater than the amount needed to meet energy demands.  </p>
<p>Fat is still stored without insulin, but in organs, e.g., the liver and the heart, where fat accumulation damages the organs.  I fail to understand how people can study high-fat, low-carb diets so meticulously - down to the umpteenth biochemical process - and inocently overlook this aspect of fat metabolism - it&#8217;s biochem 101.</p>
<p>Better for EXCESS calories to be stored as triglycerides in fat cells &#8230; best though is not eating more than one needs.  </p>
<p>Fat is not stored as muscle in muscle tissue - no amino acids.  Fat is not simply excreted if it cannot be stored in fat cells (this has been shown in studies).  A high-fat, low-carb diet that exceeds energy needs is simply a faster way to damage organs than eating too many calories with carbs.  (Those with fewer fat cells who overeat damage their organs faster due to fats being stored in organs instead of in fat cells - google it.)</p>
<p>The best way to use fat for energy is not to avoid carbs and “reach ketosis,” but to engage in fat-burning (aerobic or &#8220;cardio&#8221;) exercises - daily.  This will strengthen muscles (a great deal of muscle fibers are slow-twitch, aerobic fibers), build greater bone density and achieve numerous other health benefits, e.g., good mental health.  </p>
<p>Athletes are living proof of this as most of us - who are the leanest in our society - eat high-carb diets, lean meats, and get adequate Omega-3 fatty acids - not sat fats that indirectly promote arterial plaque (“bad” and &#8220;high&#8221; cholesterol are hype, but so is the notion of a “low-carb” diet).  </p>
<p>I do not doubt your sincerity, but in your elucidation of biochemical processes of fat metabolism you left out such facts as excess fat is stored in organs without insulin to usher fat into fat cells - where excess calories (if you must eat them) belong. Thanks for listening.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McManus</title>
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		<description>Hi Paul.
Do you mean maintain lean muscle mass while losing fat?
I'm a very optimistic guy but maintaining scale weight while losing fat is unrealistic I'm afraid, let me explain.
You can easily lose 6 or more pounds in a couple of weeks. To maintain scale weight, you'd have to gain 6 or more pounds of muscle in just 2 weeks, and keep gaining at this rate! I think Pasquale was referring to muscle mass as opposed to scale weight, but let me know if you have a source so I can check it out myself. 
Make your goal to maintain or even build muscle while losing fat, don't judge your progress solely by the scales Paul. Get some body fat calipers and some measuring tape to use in conjunction with the scales.
Hope that helps,
Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul.<br />
Do you mean maintain lean muscle mass while losing fat?<br />
I&#8217;m a very optimistic guy but maintaining scale weight while losing fat is unrealistic I&#8217;m afraid, let me explain.<br />
You can easily lose 6 or more pounds in a couple of weeks. To maintain scale weight, you&#8217;d have to gain 6 or more pounds of muscle in just 2 weeks, and keep gaining at this rate! I think Pasquale was referring to muscle mass as opposed to scale weight, but let me know if you have a source so I can check it out myself.<br />
Make your goal to maintain or even build muscle while losing fat, don&#8217;t judge your progress solely by the scales Paul. Get some body fat calipers and some measuring tape to use in conjunction with the scales.<br />
Hope that helps,<br />
Mark</p>
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